hey i was just wondering.. does all the cars in initial D have turbo charge.. (except the 86) and is turbo charge that thing that makes the sound when you change the glitch?.. or is it something else?. :ph34r:

Not all cars in InitialD have turbo.

Quick run down (this is as brief as I can without going technical):

Turbo - System that kicks in when driver generates higher RP's (revolutions per minute of crank shaft in his engine) and uses exhaust gasses to spin a "fan", which sucks outside air and feeds it into the engine effectively generating higher boost pressure. That allows engine to produce higher horse power. System creates loud "hissing" sound when it's ON and tells you when you are chewing your gas.

Super Charge - is a system that does similar thing like Turbo, just differently. Engine (crank shaft) is connected with a fan via belts that sucks air from outside and feeds it into the engine creating higher boost pressure, which in return allows engine generate higher horse power. It's always ON and side affect is higher gas consumption at all times.

Both systems are world wide used and from what I recall are also used in different InitialD episodes along with NA (naturally aspirated) Toyota Sprinter '86.

Hope it helps and keep in mind that this is general/simple explanation.....

you could figure it out by watching the eps, when a car has a turbo in ID they usually let you know, they talk all big about it but Takumi wins anyway:D, most of the cars in ID don't have turbo's they just got a good engine, the Takahashi bro's don't have turbo's, well actually in the whole 1st stage you don't see any turbo at all, the two LanEvo's also do not have turbo's Sudo just has a misfiring system and very good engine, only the Hachi-Roku Takumi is gonna race against at the end of 2nd stage has a turbo, and if i'm not mistaken in 3rd stage there is also someone with a turbo but i'm not sure i haven't seen 3rd stage as many times as i have seen 1st and 2nd stage, i really just can't wait for 4th stage

thanks! Berkut and DeluxSkillz!

thanks for the clearify.. is misfiring system expensive? and does it boost the hp?
and is turbo expensive?... im getting a car at the start of auqust and im planning to put a turbo inside so i was wondering so much it is?..

i wouldn't have the slightest idea how much it would be you should really discuss those things with someone who knows a lot about cars, if you watched stage 2 the misfiring system is like a combo between Turbo and NA(Naturally aspirated), that's how Sudo of the Emperor team managed to be so fast in entrance and exits of a corner

If you get a NA car, then adding Turbo can run you around $3k (depends on car and kit) if you do labor yourself. It's not always worth it to do so since it will shorten life of your engine (because NA engine parts aren't designed to take high pressure that Turbo will be producing) and might not give you that big of a HP gain.

It all depends on what you want to do with a car I guess and your driving style. I would suggest simply getting something like older WRX or any other "already turbo charged" cars. If you are getting NA car without much of a choice, then save up for another car and have 1 for "day to day" driving and other strictly for racing (heck, some cars after "all set and done" aren't street legal or "cop magnets" anyway )

That hissing sound you hear when they hit the clutch to change gears is actually the waste gate. When the turbo is running and fully spooled up there is about 18-25 psi of cold air pressure, depending on what the engine can handle. When you push in the clutch you usually take your foot off the accelerator. When this happens you have a lot of air going in to the cylinder and not much fuel, a lean mixture, this may cause the engine to stall. The other problem is that if you don't send to air to the cylinder because you don't want the engine to stall you leave it in the turbo system, which is designed to withstand only so much pressure, and ending up damaging your turbo. The waste gate cuts in when you push to clutch and bleeds the pressure so that you don't damage the turbo or stall the engine.

Actually the third gen RX-7 in the first ID has a twin turbo. When the brother driving the 3rd gen RX-7 (yellow) is racing our hero he complains about the power of his car and wonders if his second turbine is working properly, he is talking about the turbo in his car.

Yea, that 3rd Gen RX7 is a mean machine. I thought of getting one many many many times even though I am not much of Mazda fan... Rotary engines tend to have problems sooner then regular blocks, but with low mileage Japanese 13B's (good RX7 engines) coming in at under 1,000 shouldn't be a prob. Good car and fun to watch two brothers (in ID) racing each other in their RX7's (usually just for show and not serious, but still looks great)

Yep rotary engines are hard to maintain and they require massive maintenance...

And basically, almost all the cars driven in the anime has a turbo in there... like the R32 (Skyline) it has 380HP in stock mode usually R32 comes only at 276HP (280HP)
and as for the FC it was detuned to 250 but before it used to be like Keisuke in the 350HP range...

As for the EVO's they have a stock turbo since they all pack 276HP just coming out of the assembly line or factory line...

With RX7's it's a bit different. Whole car is build around lighter weight of rotary engine, so weight of the car vs HP it's putting out made it a very strong competitor in drags along with making it highly competitive with 4WD's in cornering.

On side note, about Skylines. There are plenty of places in CA that import R34's which you can later tune to 600+ HP, but car is so front heavy effectively taking away whole pleasure from driving. Even in ID you hear R32 guy talk about his front tires going out after half of the race. Nissan knows of those problems and currently did substantial changes to R35 in hopes of solving common Skyline issues. Too bad that till Nissan starts selling Skylines (should be a year or two) in USA, they are still out of my price reach. After import taxes price of R34's aren't as attractive as you would like it to be, effectively putting them into Viper and 911 Turbo range even before full mods.

Anyway, if anybody wants to check out few pics of Skyline R35 then go right ahead.

http://skyline2.nissan.co.jp/GALLERY/VOL7/.../IMAGES/l03.jpg
http://skyline2.nissan.co.jp/GALLERY/VOL7/.../IMAGES/l10.jpg
http://skyline2.nissan.co.jp/GALLERY/VOL7/.../IMAGES/l05.jpg
http://skyline2.nissan.co.jp/GALLERY/VOL7/.../IMAGES/l04.jpg

It has similar look to 350Z I guess... If you can read Japanese, then check out
http://www.nissan.co.jp/SKYLINE for more info and pictures...

P.S. Sorry if I went a bit off topic with R35, but Skyline should be in everybodies dreams.

the S15 Nissan Silvia should also be in everyone's dreams

i can only hope that it'll be one of the cars when 4th Stage comes around (don't ask me when )

Isnt the R35 still a concept car?
The RX-7 FD (yellow one) was a twin turbo wasnt it? The FC (White one) was deffinently a turbo cuz it has a scooper on the front

And isnt 4th stage due out in September/October?
If I recall, Keisuke should meet some chick with a black FD

Here, I managed to find a couple of working links for R35.... and hav have to say the consumer -> executive aimed standard model looks tad pants. Why is it that car designs seem to be getting worse? Or perhaps, more American. (being british, I have no room to talk, but) I have to say I prefer the look of alot of late 90's Jap cars rather than many of their latest versions. Having said that the article says they are selling like hotcakes in japan in the first month, so we may well get them over here too.

The souped up GTR coupe though, looks utterly sweet - loosing those 2 rear doors seems to make all the difference even if you envisage it withough the extra trimmings.

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_...ts/4_02_nis.htm
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t9592.html

Edit: Dam, it looks like the R35 GTR is still concept and not released yet [not my 2nd link was to a post 2.5 years old! Click last and you will see they are still discussing it!]

The engine itself in the R35 is still being decided if i recall correctly.
Inline 6 Twin Turbo VS. V8 Twin Turbo

Turbos dont suit V8's IMO

I dont wanna ***SPOIL****, but what happens to him is totally unexpected too.

i still cant really except the face that R34 was soo *hot* but now.. R35 looks too concept-ish.. and i dont think theres a lot of room to custom it.. :ph34r:

flipdon: What car does she drive? It was an FD right? In the Arcade Game she drove a Spirit R but it stupid to think that she drove it in the show/manga, as the Spirit R was realeased last year.

Ujin: Although it looks concept-ish, I think thats the model that will be premiering at the Tokyo Auto show at the end of the year. The model that is showcased there should be the real R35 since the R35 should begin production soon.

The R35 will come in 2 versions apparently. A Turbocharged inline 6 for jap ppl, and a NA V8 for american ppl.

She drives an FD Spriit R.

wasnt the spirit R released last year? The manga was created about 10 years ago, so if it really was released last year, how could she?

i don't believe the manga was 10 years ago.... it debuted in 1996

hey.. im probably acting dumb again but wut is the difference between FD3S (RZ) and the new chick that drives the (SPRIT) can you guys plz tell me the difference.. thanks

The Spirit Type R and Keisuke's version have different bodies
thats pretty much it.

Keisuke drives a FD Type R with a single turbo (1 exhaust) while the girl drive a FD Spirit with dual turbo cam (2 exhaust)

Good points but, you also got to consider the compression ratio of the engines them selves. Trying to put a turbo system on something that is highly strung like a Honda S2000 (11:1) is almost suicidal. Personally speaking I wouldn't use an older car to start off from for a turbo experence. Many of the older turbo system prolly won't hold up to the test of time or have some what "crappy" equipment like ceramic turbines.



I think you got your Blow off valve and wastegate mixed up. The wastegate controls boost and the blow off valve is what vents the gas when you drop the clutch/lift off throttle. Also 18-25 psi? Most cars don't have anywhere that much boost stock, a WRX STi only pumps out around ~14psi and thats considered high. 18 ~ 25 thats like 1.5 / 2+ bar of boost.



Thats got to be one of the greatest myths ever, even in theory a rotary should have better reliability, I mean there is only 5 moving parts in a rotary compared to +200 in your standard piston engine. Rotay are every bit as reliable as pistons, the only reason why they cost so much to maintain is becaise there only one company making rotary engines. A stock RX-7 with a 12B or 13B will happy do +120,000Km before a rebuild.


And yes, I love rotary. Anyone seen that Jap vid of a 600HP 20B inside a AE86 will know why

Hissing sound from wastegatE? Should i laugh now or laugh later?

Anywho to answer questions.. the BOV or Blow off valve is the hissing sould u here when the driver presses in the clutch and releases the gas pedal, the wastegate.. closes air off to the turbo ambient side so that it doesnt over boost and messes up your turbo, the air is stoped suddenly when the Intercooler pipe running from the FMIC(Front mount Intercooler) is blocked off when the plate in your IM(Intake manifold) suddenly shuts, the air has no where to go but back, in doing so will cause the turbine, to spin backward soemthing no one wants to do, which causes premature turbo death. So the BOV will vent out access air to the atmosphere.

The r35 ive seen concept pictures of, not a bad looking car but for my two cents i rather sport the r34. something bout the style i cant just say no.. plus the rb26dett with twin powered turbos.. sequentially and a redline nearing 9-10k cant beat that meng. RWD inline six is music to my ears. Im a honda fan at heart but will trade it anyday for a skyline

As far as i knew the GTR model peice, err R34 skyline that came with the RB26DETT was AWD. The GTST with the RB26DET was RWD. Either way, i wouldnt ever drive one. They are overrated.

And a Bar of boost is 15 psi so to be running 2+ bar that would have to be over 30 psi.

I have a 1988 rx7 and I can say they are not hard to maintain one bit. Especially if you take care of them, change oil regularly and such. My engine has over 121k miles on it and it still pulls hard. And These engines are so simple that when you do have to rebuid it doesnt take too much work, all you do is replace seals. My engine only has 3 moving parts, the 2 rotars, and the crankshaft for them.. And as far as the one guy saying there isnt a turbo car in the first stage, the r32 is turbo, the fd is turbo, the fc is turbo. BUt I have not getten all the way through em yet.. You would think for people who love this series tehy would know a lil more about cars. As far as I am concerned rotary engines where gods gift to man for making the mistake of creating pistons.

So is that why they are only in Mazdas now? Mazda just got punk'd my AMC.

Amc didnt even use it lol they coudlnt get it to work right. It gm had the patent to ir before AMC even thought about using it but GM couldt ever get it to work. Mazda got it working. Some day it will not have any flaws, its still a too new of an engine for it to be widley used.

Im new to this forum but not cars...or rotaries, and yeah that is a myth that rotarys are hell to maintain.......its not, just change the oil every 300 miles and thats it, not that big a deal. I hope you guys know that there was a chevy came out with a rotary powered vette but it was just a prototype concept car, would of been awsome to see and drop in a cosmo 20b and you'll be FLYING

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Make that an oil change every 3K mikes and you'd be right. I have a FC and I love it.

if u guys watched stage 4, then u'll realize tht in fact both keisuke's FD & ryosuke's FC has twin turbo, the black FD of the girl is single turbine...

anyway, regarding the rotary being difficult to maintain.. i think its abt the same for all the cars used for racing.. either u take good care of it or u bust it..

not all of course rx-7 evo levin for awhile those are a few that do.
but turbo does have its down sides u what is called turbo lag on some.

anyways just fixing suspension settings droping the car clutch and a better steering wheel is a that you will need to drift those corners.

the best part of the whole series is when bunta is talking to keiichi tsuchiya (dori kin) over the phone man that guy can drift anything.

The misfiring system is basically something that keeps the turbocharger constantly spooled even when you let go of the throttle, so what you said doesn't make sense.




Depends how often you wanna drive your car, or how long you wanna keep the engine. Since the excessive heat it creates from constantly detonating fuel in the exhaust manifold to keep the turbine going, your engine(or turbocharger, I don't know, I really don't like this system) won't really last for more than 10 000 miles.



Again, not much sense going on here since turbochargers are basically just extensions to boost a once naturally aspirated engine by forced induction.