so after watching the spring speical i have come to the conclusion Kikyou is not so bad.

and i must say inuyasha and kikiyou had a much better relationship compared to kagome and inuyasha for one thing they had things in common. like the same time period. they were both fighters and both were lonely.

but as it is i still think that Kikyou should stay dead because she is dead and that is what i think dead people should continue doing. but now have more sympathy for what she lost and how it affected her in her death.

so yea she was cute when she wasnt always angry and bitter 0:-)

*fixed Kikyou spelling errors :-)

Glad you were able to gain a new perspective on her. If the Spring Special was able to change even just one person's opinion, then as far as I'm concerned, it's done its job.

I think she needs to remain alive until she can finally fulfill her duty, though. Her relationship with Inuyasha is one thing--as much as it sucks for her, I think she's more or less coming to understand that he needs to move on, and so does she. But as far as the Shikon no Tama goes, she needs to stick around until something is finally done about that, or at the very least, about Naraku. Call it her unfinished business. She deserves the chance to see it through, and once that's done, maybe then she can finally rest.

I've always been a great fan of Kikyou, from the beginning on I loved her story and the special has been I think my favorite IY episode yet.

The whole way through watching it though, all I kept thinking was "oh man I know what's going to happen at the end and it is going to make it even sadder after watching all of this."

And it did.

Same as yomi-san, always been a fan of Kikyou. I know that Kikyou and Inuyasha probably won't be together. However, I sure hope that Inu and Kagome won't be together also. Unlike most anime where the hero/ine had to go back to their world or time and won't see their one love again. I would hate that. For Kagome case, I wouldn't mind seeing that. Sorry but she just annoy me. I saw ep 150 and I'm more annoy with her now. I haven't enjoy Iny like I use to since this Kagome/Iny/Kikyou thing, its irritate me. I don't even mind the repetitive event, chasing Naraku, since Sessy/Rin/Jaken/Kagura appear more often. Heck, almost anyone that appear I would enjoy Inuyasha except Kagome. I think she is my most dislike female anime character now. She sure beat out Quon from RahXephon.

I never let liked Kikyou, but I never hated her...until the Hakuraizan (sp?) eps. She looked so sad in one of the scenes, I just couldn't hate her anymore. Then with the Kikyou/Inuyasha special not that long ago...I've grown to like her more, but Kagome will always be who I want to see with Inuyasha.

Just as Kikyou is bad, Kagome really isnt as annoying as she seems at first. In the early episodes she is a little damsel in distress by her own choice...a lot of times now, its by someone elses choice. I bet, if they let Kagome loose on Naraku...shed win

~Kagome

I never liked Kikyou, and I doubt I ever will. After watching the Spring Special, I realized why: She reminds me too much of myself after a bad breakup. I've long ago forgiven my ex and the girl he left me for, but I still haven't forgiven myself for the psycho-bitch I became. I really wanted them dead for a long time and did some nasty things to make their lives hell. Ran him through the guilt-trip, tried to scare her away. I've been there, and no one appreciated me for it. Of course, I wasn't dead, so I didn't get any pity for that either.

Anyway, that's why I still want to see Kikyou get the boot sometimes. Selfish, I know. But it's just my knee-jerk reaction. (Wish someone had kicked my butt back then.) Consiously, however, I know better. And I hope she can forgive Inu and Kago as well and find peace.

I never hated Kikyou. It's hard to spend that much energy on a fictional character for me anyways, heh. I always felt bad for her. I think I felt worse for Sango and what she's been through more, though.

I just get creeped out by the whole stealing souls thing. I still want to know what happens to those souls she takes. Creeeeeeeeeeepy.

Honeybee, you do realize though that Kikyou only tried to drag Inuyasha to hell once, right? And that was before she knew about Naraku. And she's never pulled a knife on him in the manga (XD), so basically she really hasn't done that much to try and ruin his life. If anything, he's the one that can't let go--she's mainly focused on Naraku at this point. She's occasionally reminded Inuyasha of the debt he still owes to her, but the last time that happened was quite a while ago, unless I'm mistaken. She's getting over it... by the time the end of the series rolls around, she'll be able to let go. (I'll be the one that's ranting. )

As for Kagome, she hasn't really done anything to her--except in episode 33 when she stole the jewel shards and kind of menaced her a bit. And she was pissed... I'd be pissed too. But you'll notice that she never actually tried to kill her, despite what anyone says. If Kikyou had tried to kill Kagome... then Kagome would be one very dead Kagome. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from nicking her arm with that one arrow during all of that, I don't think Kikyou has ever harmed Kagome. And while she's certainly never exactly been kind to her either, at the same time she's gone out of her way to give her and Inuyasha their space, it almost seems. I'm not sure she actually knows what to do yet. She wants to be with Inuyasha, I'm sure, and she's still angry and bitter over the unfairness that she had to die while he got to live and find someone else to love... but at the same time, I think the part of her that still loves him wants him to be happy, and will eventually allow her to let him go and stay with Kagome.

As for the whole thing with the souls, I think Thunk and I debated this a little a while back. As far as I know, nothing's been said about that either way, so I guess it's open to interpretation. She could be destroying them completely for all we know. However, even now Kikyou still acts the part of a miko. True, an undead holy woman does sound somewhat paradoxial, but she's still cared for villagers and hunted youkai after coming back just as she did before her death. I think it would go completely against who she is for her to knowingly destroy another human's soul, even to keep herself alive. That's why I can't imagine that she actually is draining them completely or anything. I think she sort of more uses them as rechargable batteries, and when they start to run low she releases them and gathers some more... which is rather disturbing, but at least not really that bad.

Heh. ::Kikyou-fangirl mode... OFF:: XD

You know, I searched and searched for the post on Kuro's board that went into a theory about this, and either I'm stupid or blind or both but I can't find it. Anyway. What was said there, was that there was a common belief that there were 2 parts to a soul: the part that contains the essence of who you are, and the part that is merely the energy. Kikyou is probably taking the energy that is no longer needed to keep her body going and complete the other "half" of her soul....I really don't see her condemning someone to eternal nothingness, and I don't think the Inu-tachi would have allowed her to continue if that was the case....

Ah... I know what topic you're talking about Moonie, luff.

It's right here

When I translated the chapter, I wrote some notes about that, too...

I actually thought about that once and went back to the manga where Kikyou is first reintroduced, because I thought maybe I coul duse the haku/kon argument in Kikyou's favor, too. Thing is, in the chapter where it does talk about Kikyou stealing souls, they say that the tamashii part of the soul is being stolen.

Tamashii = kon = the part of the soul that is "you" and your intelligence.
Haku = the part of the soul that is the "life force" that drives you.

Tamashii technically refers to the spheres of light that represent the soul, too... so it could be any number of interpretations.

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Anyway, regarding my thoughts about Kikyou... I was actually very surprised one day to get a kind email that said a review I'd written about the spring special convinced her to watch the episode. And, I think like it was for a few other folks, the episode did indeed make her rethink her feelings about Kikyou.

(Of course, for some of these people, the animosity might have returned with episode 151... XD )

I used to not like Kikyou, wayyyy back when I'd only seen that one episode everyone seems to snarl at, which is when she tries to drag Inuyasha to hell with her. Didn't like her until I went back and started watching with Noriko Hidaka doing her beautiful interpretation, read the manga, and holy heck, did I ever do a 180 regarding how I veiwed her.

And now, thanks to Spexxie, all I can do is see her as the Energizer Bunny using the souls as batteries.

She just keeps living and living and living and living...

XD


Dammit, I was gonna write something all serious and stuff, but now I can't! XD

Spexxie... *marries again* XD

You know, I actually just watched 147/148 today, since Akraze released it....and you were right, Kuro-nee. That fic I wrote was eerily close to what was portrayed....and I thought you were just humoring me. o_O

It left me very sad though, even though I knew what was going to happen at the end. Poor Kikyou. I want to glomp her now, too.

I TOLD YOU SO!!!111oneone

Whyfore Moonie-luff no believe her Kuro?? *cries*

...I'm so hurt. XD

LOL! Cuz you *always* humor, 'specially when it comes to what I write.

:::marries Kuro-nee again just to show how much she still luffs her:::

Yeah, thats right, I'm marrying my onee-san. Got something to say about that? XD

JINGLEBONK!!

Gah! I am NOT just humoring you, Luff! XD Because the story was GOOD! RAWR~!! And it's unfinished. That's right. It's 20 chatpers and UNFINISHED. *pokes* Isnt' it? Eh? Isn't it? Eh? ISN'T IT!? Grrrrrrr...

....soooo... when...?

*hides*

Oh, I'm aware of all this. But last we heard, she was still intending to be the one to take his life back in episode 43. (the whole "your life is mine" thing.) We've had no clues as to whether or not that's changed since. Ever since she found out about Naraku, she's been on a mission. So it could be that she's either letting go, or she's just not ready to make good on her promise yet. We have no idea.


You do realize that there were no vines at the bottom of that pit in the manga. It was a blazing, raging river of Naraku's miasma Kikyou dropped her into. That was a bit more than menacing. She never fired any arrows at her (the ground opening up was Naraku's doing), but she was intending to kill Kagome.

Not only that, but she was content to let the whole group perish in Naraku's trap. She did nothing to try and save anyone when she could've moved at any time. And she had a good idea of what vision would kill Inuyasha. That's exactly how she wants him to die.



Kikyou does have good reason to be angry and bitter. I just don't feel those reasons justify some of her actions. I am hoping she can let go of that negative energy and return to her true self someday, but instead she's been revelling in that negativity and doesn't want to give it up.

it was my understanding that kikyou only got the bitter souls. in that the rest were still in kagome and that is why i have always accepted the fact that she will be bitter twards inuyasha and the gang because although she is not normally evil it seems that the ying and yang are off balence in her. i really dont understand any of the japanese theroies of the soul but from what i watched in inuyasha it seems that a miko has a large soul and kagome and kikyou are somehow sharing one.

:-) the wierd thing is. if kikyou has the bitterness of her death in her. why is kagome still so illtempered. she gets pissed off way to easily for someone who is missing bitterness.

just a thought. but frankly i never quiet understood what was going on with the whole soul stealing stuff

I assumed Kikyou just retained the reawakened memories of those bitter feelings she once felt in her own life. Kagome's temper is entirely her own. I don't think she's naturally ill-tempered, since Inuyasha's the only one that can push her buttons like that. It's just part of their relationship. You know he loves it.

With Kikyou's bitterness, I can't help but feel that if it could all be blamed on the nature of her soul or the body she inhabits, she would've risen above it long ago. She is more powerful and strong-willed than to just be a prisoner to Urasue's spells. We already knew that when Kikyou turned against her and killed her. And when she helped the priest at Mt. Hakurei to find his own way to nirvana. She could probably find that balance within herself if she really wanted to. But she places greater priority on her vengeance toward Naraku right now.

I can't fault her for having that priority, though. Destroying Naraku is PART of finding that balance. He was her murderer, and I think she also feels responsibility for "creating" him to begin with. After all, she was the one who took pity on Onigumo, who became Naraku. How can just wandering around "being a mere do-gooder miko" help her find balance if she knows that the man who killed her, who now HAS the Shikon Jewel, is out there?

Sure she could leave it all to Inuyasha and his friends to deal with Naraku, but how would that help her find balance in herself? The balance she's finding regarding her past with Inuyasha... hell, she IS rising above it. She can't rise above the bitternes against Naraku it when she believes it's her responsibility to deal with him. Destroying Naraku IS the balance she needs.

Even when I went a little nuts and my bitterness consumed me, I was solely responsible for my actions, intentionally hurting others. I felt perfectly justified because I was jealous and felt slighted, but in reality that's no excuse. Similarly, there was no good reason for Kikyou to try and kill Kagome and demand Inuyasha's life. Even with only the bitter portion of her soul, it was still her choice. I just find it hard to forgive her when I can't even forgive myself, which is probably as much my own problem.

Settling her score with naraku, on the other hand, is something I do want to see. It might not be worth putting the world at risk by handing him most of the jewel, but you're right in that she hasn't done anything that foolish in a while now. If she does choose to let go of the bitterness, then she'll be able to seek out her own vengeance with a clearer perspective, which would make me happy enough.

Creeeeeeeeepy.

i agree... maybe we could find a battery charger and she wouldnt have to keep getting new ones

and when i say "battery" i mean "soul"

Wow, so many thoughts about Kikyo, but I have to say that she's never been my fav char...however i've never hated her either. And now that she's back, I imagine that she will ultimately be naraku's undoing. Heh, personally i've always held the theory that Kikyou is actually the reincarnated Akane attempting to get Inu-yasha, who is the reincarnated Ranma, back after how the manga Ranma ended...Hey, after all, Kikyou IS the voice of Akane and Inu IS the voice of Ranma (always has amused me, that bit)

Finally got around to watching the spring special this morning - I'm following the Kraze releases, and I've been busy to boot. :/

But every once in a while, an Inuyasha episode really surprises you. :3

I've never been a Kikyou hater, but Inuyasha-Kagome's always been my preference. This episode really helped me see a lot more about the relationship between Inuyasha and Kikyou, and how it affected the way a certain hanyou grew up.

I liked how Inuyasha constantly called Kaede a chibi (let that chibi get out of here!), and the whole bit involving his gift of his mother's lipstick (evil Naraku XD). And I think it's the first time we've ever heard Inuyasha say his own name (except when mispronouncing the name of his third movie :3)

Definitely an emotional, introspective episode, especially with the focus on Inuyasha and Kikyou's thoughts in their last moments. But one thing still bugs me - with all her knowledge of youkai abilities, why did Kikyou immediately rule out all possibility that it was a fake Inuyasha who attacked her, especially when he'd proven time and again that he wasn't the sort to use underhanded tactics? And Inuyasha... would the real Kikyou have missed? XD

*sigh*

I'm wondering how Inuyasha could've missed the scent of Kikyou's blood after Naraku attacked her. Inuyasha's nose is very sensitive to human blood. He can pick up the scent of an attacked village from at least a mile away, and pick up the trace of Kagome's cut hand in the middle of Tokyo. Then how could he miss Kikyou's huge, gushing wound? No matter how much he hated her, he'd never want to actually hurt her or see her get hurt.

I guess I should just quit complaining and start climbing out of this plothole, huh?

What about every single time the "Grip!" opening played? "Inuyasha-sama no hajimari da!"

Or the "Sengoku o-togi Zoushi: Sesshoumaru" drama? "If the main character of 'Inuyasha' isn't Inuyasha, then who else would it be?!"

Or when he occasionally does the episode previews. "Next time on 'Inuyasha'!"

But in an actual episode, yeah, this might be the first time he's said his name. ^_^*