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Suikotsu
I think everyone loves Kagome's sit command, but i saw something.
In episode 109 when Kagome gets angry, and the Osuwari command starts, when she louds BAKA Inuyasha still fall on the ground. Maybe that means if baka is a same command like Osuwari
(my english is very bad)
Patrioil
Didn't I bring this up a while ago?
And someone agreed... was it Inu-Pancake?
I dun remember...
I think it was on the Hail Sesshoumaru-sama topic.
MMD
To make Inu Yasha smack into the ground, Kagome just needs to say a word that "restrains" him. So I think Osuwari and Baka fit the category.
Spectrum
I think the whole "baka" thing was a fluke. The rosary (along with probably the entire Asian continent) could tell Kagome was really pissed at Inuyasha, so when she switched to "baka" in-between all of the "osuwari"s, it kept going anyway. Just for the heck of it, you know? tongue.gif
Bankotsu
cant they remove that rosary, not like i want to but im sure inuyasha does
Jubilation
Kagome removing the rosary would be a display of trust. I think it would mean a lot to Inuyasha
Bankotsu
the first he'd do is beat up kouga and i dont think she'll remove that rosary any time soon since that rosary is the only controll she has over him
Spectrum
I think the whole rosary situation, like Jubilation said, has a lot to do with trust. When Kagome first met Inuyasha, of course, she needed the rosary because he was more or less out of control. Without it, he might have hurt her to get the shikon no tama, or prevented her from going back home, or attacked someone else without thinking, etc. The rosary was definitely necessary during those early days.

Now, though, the situation is totally different. Inuyasha's matured a lot, and aside from the occasional temper tantrum, he's pretty much as reasonable as anyone else in the group now. The rosary hasn't truly been needed for a long time, and it's gotten to the point where the only times Kagome will actually sit him is when he inadvertantly pisses her off. (Sit abuse! mad.gif ) The "sit" may still be the only control she has over him, but is that kind of control really necessary any more? That's why I think it's a matter of trust. She's known him this long, and she knows what kind of person he is--she ought to be able to trust him enough to do without the rosary. I mean, if she wants to stop him from doing something or get him to listen to her, she might try just asking him once in a while. rolleyes.gif

That said, there have been a few theories that the rosary spell is what ties Inuyasha to Kagome so that he can travel through the well like she does. So getting rid of it might not necessarily be a good thing...
taijiyasan
QUOTE(Spectrum @ Jun 18 2003, 09:42 PM)
That said, there have been a few theories that the rosary spell is what ties Inuyasha to Kagome so that he can travel through the well like she does.  So getting rid of it might not necessarily be a good thing...

Do you mean that if Kagome took the sit collar off Inu, he wouldn't be able to go through the well?
Spectrum
Maybe. ::shrug:: Like I said, there's no proof. As far as I know, it's just a fan theory.

But it makes a bit of sense. No one besides them can travel through the well as far as we've seen (Shippou dove in there in episode 21 to hide, and nothing happened even though he had jewel shards with him, so obviously the shards aren't the only requirements to get through the well). You'd think Kagome would be the only one with that power, but for some reason, Inuyasha can go through as well. It's never been explained, so some people have guessed that maybe it's because of the rosary.

Since Kagome has needed Inuyasha in her time before, and since Inuyasha tends to turn into a useless lump when she goes through the well and leaves him alone in his time, they probably shouldn't mess around with the rosary unless they know it won't do anything. If it ain't broke, don't fix it...
Jubilation
actually i dont' think the necklace has anything to do with it. It is the Jewel that ties them....remember in Episode 19 whene Inuyasha takes the jewel from Kagome and pushes her through the well she can't return. She was only able to get back when Shippou takes the jewel down the well in Episode 21......which by the way has an excellent hug scene (drools)IPB Image
Spectrum
QUOTE(Jubilation @ Jun 18 2003, 10:02 PM)
actually i dont' think the necklace has anything to do with it.  It is the Jewel that ties them....remember in Episode 19 whene Inuyasha takes the jewel from Kagome and pushes her through the well she can't return. She was only able to get back when Shippou takes the jewel down the well in Episode 21......which by the way has an excellent hug scene (drools)

Yeah, I know the jewel is how Kagome can travel through the well, but what about Inuyasha? Most (if not all) of the time he goes through, he doesn't have any shikon shards at all. So there must be something else connecting him to her or something like that... otherwise, the fact that he can go through the well is pretty bizarre. huh.gif

And that is a nice hug scene in ep 21. happy.gif Though the scene just before it, with Inuyasha floating down all slow-like toward her... that's a bit odd.
Jubilation
Hhhmmm, true that he does not have the shard with him when he travels, however kagome does have them with her when she is in her time.

I too have heard the theory of the rosary binding them....curious though because Kagome was not the one to create the spell or the rosary she just activated it.
Sir Lucius
Kind of off the curret conversation, but in a Shamen King episode I heard Anna tell You "osuwari" and it was translated as "shut up."

Did I hear it wrong, or osurwari really a homonym in that sense? Kind of makes inuyasha a little bit more funny if it is :]
Spectrum
Can't be sure, but she probably said "urusai", not "osuwari." They sound kind of similar. "Urusai" literally means "noisy", and is often used meaning something to the effect of "be quiet" or "shut up." Inuyasha says this to Shippou (and alas, Miroku) all the time... with good reason, too. tongue.gif

Though Yasha tends to slur the word so it sounds like "urusay"... sigh... I've been talking about dubs lately, but I still love Inuyasha's Japanese voice. wub.gif

(Boy, I wound up going off-topic there.)
Sir Lucius
QUOTE(Spectrum @ Jun 19 2003, 12:51 AM)

Though Yasha tends to slur the word so it sounds like "urusay"... sigh... I've been talking about dubs lately, but I still love Inuyasha's Japanese voice. wub.gif

Which explains that whole "Tetsusaiga" fiasco unsure.gif
Spectrum
Well, not all the characters slur things the way Inuyasha does. wink.gif

I think it's supposedly a "delinquent" sort of accent. Kind of adds to his rough-around-the-edges appearance. Whenever Miroku slips out of "polite" mode, he talks the same way. But it doesn't have anything to do with Tetsusaiga's pronunciation--they all say it like that.

I guess "Tessaiga" is maybe just easier for them to say?

QUOTE
I too have heard the theory of the rosary binding them....curious though because Kagome was not the one to create the spell or the rosary she just activated it.


Well, Kaede did create the spell, but since the effect links Inuyasha to Kagome's "sit" command alone, I think the rosary binds him to her anyway.

Actually, sometimes I wonder where all these theories originally came from...
Patrioil
O~~kay... I may be way out of line here,
but since you brought up that ep. when IY pushes Kagome down the well,
I might as well share my thoughts about it (I may not make much sense).

Anyways...
Inuyasha takes her Shikon shards and pushes her,
Kagome falls down the well and ends up in her time,
then she can't get back cus she don't have the shards.
But... she shouldn't be able to get back to her time without them either, right?

I mean... that makes no sense to me...
how the heck is she able to go back with the shards left in Sengoku Jidai?
She once says that she can't get back without the shards (right...?)...
but still she does... hm... *thinking*... ... ... argh! It's impossible.
JimmyV
QUOTE
Inuyasha takes her Shikon shards and pushes her,
Kagome falls down the well and ends up in her time,
then she can't get back cus she don't have the shards.
But... she shouldn't be able to get back to her time without them either, right?


Just had this debate in a live-journal community a week or so ago....

The end result is we agreed that the shards didn't have to be on the person to make the well work, merely near the well. This would explain how she went back when the Yura of Hair took them and when Inuyasha pushed her. It would also explain how she got BACK to the past when Shippo was trapped in the bottom with the shard.

Inuyasha seems to be the only one who can go through the well without a shard on him or near it, and that Kagome maybe the only person who is able to travel through the well when it is activated by a shard.

(There's still the area of if she's making phsyical contact with someone will they travel through as well, like the hair of the Yura of the Hari did.)

Just another one of my theories.
Sir Lucius
Maybe the fact that inuyasha was pinned to a tree for 50 years by Kikiyo's arrow has something to do with it.
Patrioil
Yeah,
maybe the power of the seal is a part of Kagome...
but I also find the rosary theory quite reasonable.
Since the seal has been broken and all, y'know.
Or maybe it's just the strong bonds IY had with Kikyou...
souls tied together for eternity... sounds pretty nice.

Hm... this is hard to figure out...
I hope Takahashi-sensei will tell us in the end.
Maybe it has something to do with him being a hanyou...?
Just a wild guess, you folks. What do I know...
Sir Lucius
Personally, I hope to see Naraku make it into Kogome's time some how. It would make for a pretty intersting fight I think. Of course Sango and the others would have to find a way accross too, or it wouldn't be as fun.
miroku_sama
The way I've seen it, it's that the shards activate the well, and Kagome has the power to go through it.

How can Inuyasha go through it? Well I think that's where the rosary may come into play. Because the rosary only works for Kagome, it's reasonable to assume that Inuyasha can travel becomes of this.

But of course, there's no proof... merely speculation.

They really need an Inuyasha Ultimania guide wink.gif.
UFO9
I like this topic, so I thought I'd share my little theory about how/why Kagome and Inuyasha can travel through the well.

For Kagome:

I think it's cuz of her Miko abilities, and the fact that the Shikon no Tama was inside of her. She can only travel if the times are linked though, aka there are shards present on both sides. Hence why she was locked out when Inuyasha stole hers, but was able to go back when they appeared in the well. And also why Shippou couldn't go through, he's got no Miko abilities/connection with the Shikon no Tama.

As for Inuyasha, it's a bit more tricky and stuff:

I think he's somehow related to Midoriko. Anyone remember the time Myouga and Kirara went into the cave where Midoriko and the demonds were, with the Shikon no Tama, and it caused the demons to sort of revive? Well, when Myouga was saved, he saw Midoriko save him. But it was Inuyasha, so he was like "what are you talking about, I just saved you" and Myouga was like "no, midoriko saved me". We have no real information on Inuyasha's ancestry, so I think that Midoriko or a reincarnation of her is somehow related to Inuyasha, therefore, he either has some very faint traces of Miko blood in him, or he's got a relation to the Shikon no Tama that allows him to cross. I also think this helps explain why he's so strong, despite only being a hanyou. He's half taiyoukai, but his human half has some powerful Miko ancestry.

Anyhow, that's what I think as to how the well works. I don't think the rosary plays a part in Inuyasha's ability to cross through the well, but I do think it plays a part in the connection the two of them have with each other.

What do you guys think? Am I insane? tongue.gif Anyone else given any though to that whole Midoriko thing? That's stuck in my head since the first time I saw it, I'm waiting to see if it was just a fluke, or if they're gonna expand on it.
Sir Lucius
I've suspected SOMEone was the decendant of Midoriko. More so, I thought Kogame was because the shikon no tama came out of her body like it did with Midoriko. That may just have had something to do with it burning with Kikiyo though, but then why was kikiyo so powerful? And kogome's not really an decendant of kikiyo, she's just the reincarnation...but maybe Kikiyo is the reincarnation of Midoriko?

There is strong evidence that Inuyasha could be a decendant of Midoiko from his mother's side, you're right about that. I don't know how I feel about reincarnations falling in love with their decendants though. Related by blood or realted by soul -- it's too weird to think about.
Patrioil
Okay...
About Inuyasha being so strong... though he's a hanyou.
It was stated once that a hanyou is just as strong as a youkai.
In the ep. with that little hanyou Shiori and the Hyakki Bats.

This Midoriko thing is a little tricky...
Midoriko's heart became the Shikon no Tama,
a thing that only Kikyou as a miko could handle.
And Kagome could use it's power while it was inside of her,
even though the powers didn't seem to activate until she "fell" into the well.
So I'm having a little hard time believing IY is related to Midoriko...
Shiori
Shiori has cool eyes =P That was one of my favorite episodes. I think it would be cool if Inu Yasha was related to Midoriko, and I really like that theory. Hopefully we will have some light shed on why Inu Yasha can cross, because I understand about Kagome. tongue.gif
Houshi_Sama
QUOTE(Patrioil @ Jun 20 2003, 02:41 AM)
About Inuyasha being so strong... though he's a hanyou.
It was stated once that a hanyou is just as strong as a youkai.
In the ep. with that little hanyou Shiori and the Hyakki Bats.

yeah, even though shiori was hanyou, she was able to do stuff with that bat barrier that previous ancestors could not do.

and jinenji, that medicine maker hanyou, showed some pretty impressive strength himself... when he wasn't crying in a corner, that is. smile.gif
Raven_Zero
What I was wondering is what if kagome or IY held onto someone and jumped in the well? Would it be like when Nightcrawler (X-Men again) holds onto someone and bampfs somewhere else so they can be transported with him.
harriet
UFO9:
We have no real information on Inuyasha's ancestry, so I think that Midoriko or a reincarnation of her is somehow related to Inuyasha, therefore, he either has some very faint traces of Miko blood in him, or he's got a relation to the Shikon no Tama that allows him to cross.

That is a simply wonderful concept; that somehow he's actaully a part of the forming of the Shikon no tama- I love it. Sorry to be a one liner, but i just found this idea so exciting-
Patrioil
QUOTE(Raven_Zero @ Jun 20 2003, 12:38 PM)
What I was wondering is what if kagome or IY held onto someone and jumped in the well? Would it be like when Nightcrawler (X-Men again) holds onto someone and bampfs somewhere else so they can be transported with him.

*lol* I dunno about that, but it sounds "logical".
...btw, I hate Nightcrawlers swedish voice... dry.gif

And I heard someone say that Kagome's just a reincarnation,
and she may not be related to kikyou at all. That is so right!
Or at least... I think so...
'cus Souta couldn't go through the well,
when he was asked to go get Inuyasha.
Even though he had the Shikon shards and all.
Or maybe i'm waaay out of line here, folks.
Sir Lucius
QUOTE(Patrioil @ Jun 20 2003, 05:41 AM)
And Kagome could use it's power while it was inside of her,
even though the powers didn't seem to activate until she "fell" into the well.

Actually, I think it's just that the power inside here didn't mature until her 15th birthday. That's why any youkai in the well hadn't awakened until the centipede lady did.
Suikotsu
I started thinking.. Maybe the osuwari command works with Kikyo's voice too biggrin.gif
Patrioil
QUOTE(Suikotsu @ Jun 20 2003, 10:23 PM)
I started thinking.. Maybe the osuwari command works with Kikyo's voice too  biggrin.gif

No... I don't think so...
Kikyou and Kagome are two different persons,
and it's only Kagome's voice who activates it.
I guess that it's her voice and all... what else?
Suikotsu
But Kagome is Kikyo's reincarnation..
I see a little hope there rolleyes.gif
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