I just *totally* gave in to temptation, and guiltily watched the raw of number 132...although I was already leaning in that direction, I am now officially a Miroku/Sango fangirl...the 'ol heart is going pitter patter, and now I feel incredibly romantic.

Anyone else want to comment on this episode, if they don't feel it's already been previously discussed to death?

I am nowhere near being a Miro/San fangirl... V_v
and the episode was good... and I got to see it in color!
But... I expected more from Sango's tear...
it was kinda gripping in the manga. Not as much in the anime :/

All my ramblings are over in the MiroSan thread, but... ::happy sigh:: Needless to say, this is my favorite episode ever. I mean, it probably would have been my favorite even if the anime had done a terrible job with it--but happily, that did not turn out to be the case.

I still can't get enough of the last ten minutes of the episode. The oh-so-cool fight between Miroku and Sango, and then the proposal scene... I absolutely it. It's just so well done. And it doesn't get old. I just can't find the words for it... gah... it's perfect! ::huggles episode::

Ahh... ::goes off to play "Miroku to Sango" from OST 3::

Hhehehe, I loved episode 132 to itty bitty peices. The oni-women thing happens to be one of the arcs I read in the manga before we got to the episodes. And I'd have to say that I agree, they did it fabulously

Yay Miroku and Sango! XDDDD

arg i cant wait for 132 to be *subbded* (correction) i just watched 131 and now im on the worst cliff hanger ever. which has never happened before because i think i have always been behind on the dl and now i cant wait this is killing me i will probly have to wait a week too hehe

You can't wait for it to be dubbed, or subbed?

Dubbed could be a long time coming, since only up to 52 is done right now as I understand it.
As for subbed, no comment. But I will say I truly liked the ending, never having read the manga to compare, although I could wish they had played it straight instead of going for the laugh. I really think that would have worked better.

I loved this ep. I couldn't understand any of it, but I didn't have to. Just the emotions between Miroku and Sango told me everything. It was beautifully done.

Heh, sometimes I do too. But that's how Takahashi originally did the scene, and that's just her style to add a little bit of cute humor to it, so I'm not really complaining. And I don't think it really messes up the overall sentiment of the ending, especially with that beautiful final shot (the one in my sig) afterwards. In the end, I think the little touch of humor just makes the scene more... Inuyasha-y. Which is not a bad thing.

Also, for all of his "Eh??"'s and "..."'s when Sango asked him if he wouldn't cheat on her, Miroku turns out to not flirt with women anymore after that anyway. So there's another reason why it doesn't really bother me.

YAY! MOON! YOU WATCHED T3H CUTEST ENDING EVARRR! You know, I always wondered about that silence that Miroku gave her at the end.

I interpreted it another way:
"Sango, I just asked YOU to be with me forever. And that's the first thing you think of me?"

(And of course, I thought, "Well, DUH. You ARE Miroku, after all.")

Rather than....
"... I can't promise you that...."

Maybe that's me giving Miro too much credit, though. Although that WAS the first thing I thought. I laughed out loud reading it, because it WAS hilarious. Either way, Miroku HASN'T even groped her or flirted with anyone else since. Something I TRULY hope the anime doesn't screw up. It's really subtle that he doesn't do that, but hey, WE NOTICE! XD

And as far as me liking it: Sig says it all.

GAH! I made myself late for work this morning cuz I found the sub of this when I woke up...it ended up finishing the download before I left! (The first and only time I'll EVER curse a too-fast download! >_<)

So....I am yet again.....warm and fuzzy.........

And I too would also like to think of that silence from Miroku as ".....I suppose I deserve that...but did she have to say that NOW??" LOL

Plus, big bonus LOL for the faces and comments/noises Kagome was making as she watched in the bushes...

Hissed harshly through clenched teeth: "Hitoi!!" LOL

You're all so optimistic! blegh!

The anime spruced up the "proposal" very well. Got all warm and fuzzy...

But seriously - isn't anyone even a little put off by how it ends!? C'mon!

"That means you won't cheat on me, right?"
*sweatdrop*
"RIGHT?"
*silence* *averted eyes*
<i>He probably will...</i>

So here we have a confession of love - something he does often, and to just about anything female. Sure, it's unique in this situation because you get the vibe that he's being sincere for the first time. But here she goes and says she'll stay with him, be the mother of his children, and yet they're BOTH already consigning him to commit adultery. The ending insinuates that he isn't ready to be faithful, and that she is going to accept him, even though he'll probably cheat on her. And they just got ENGAGED.

Ha ha, funny funny. o_O pfth!

I don't buy it. I think it's tragic. I know Spectrum has pointed out that he hasn't flirted with anyone since that moment in the manga, which makes me feel a tad less icky about Sango's love for him. However, I'd really like to see another moment of awareness hit him before the show ends. Maybe a moment of introspection on his part that basically says, "Yes. She is worthy being monogamous for. My eyes, heart and mind are only for her for the rest of my life."

THEN, couple that with demonstrative actions that he is loyal - and THEN I'll buy into it. Until then, I still think Sango is selling herself short.

Don't get me wrong. I love Miroku to pieces. He has made me laugh throughout the entire series, and is a great asset to their little posse. And I'd love to see him end up with Sango, but only under completely faithful circumstances.

Otherwise - dude. Really. How cool is it to be in a relationship with someone who has wandering eyes? Give a girl low self-esteem, anxiety, self-doubt... Not good. Am I the only one here who was a little put off by the ending of that 'moment'?

Can you feel the love tonight...

See, I just disagree with pretty much all of that post. Maybe I'm giving Miroku too much credit, but in the same vein, isn't it possible you're giving him too little? Anyway, I feel like a good rant, so here's my take on it all...

First of all, Miroku's womanizing has never, ever been serious. For all of his lecherous ways, I even have my doubts that he's ever gotten past first base with another woman. (This is highly debatable, of course, but it's what I think.) As for the "Will you bear my child?" line, even you admit that episode 132 is probably the first time it's ever been sincere. In general, a lot of people seem to agree that Miroku's lechery is more of a way of pushing people away than anything else. Someone as bright as he is has got to realize that hitting on and/or groping anything female in the vicinity isn't exactly the way to win over a potential bride. It is, however, a great way to demonstrate to said female how much of a jerk he is, and that he's not worth pursuing. The fact that he actually seemed to increase his womanizing habits after he met Sango (that, and the fact that she became his main groping target) always implied to me that he was making an especially desperate attempt for her.

Problem is, Sango wound up falling for him anyway, so his plan ended up backfiring completely--instead of driving her away, he only wound up hurting her over and over. The worst part is, he didn't seem to realize it for a long time... either that, or he was in denial. He figured that if he did quit the lechery and become monogamous for her, and allowed himself to fall in love with her and vice-versa, that there was too great a chance he'd end up hurting her even more in the long run, if and when the kazaana swallowed him up. Seeing as we don't know anything about Miroku's mother and very little about his father, it's possible he's got issues that stem from whatever happened with their relationship. Or it could just be that he remembers how much he himself was hurt when his father died. Either way, it's probably one of the main reasons why he acts the way he does.

So ok, we now have the set-up for Miroku and Sango's relationship during most of the series up to this point. One important thing to keep in mind is that we (and the characters) have seen more than once that Miroku really does care about Sango. He's willing to give his life for her--that certainly implies something big. Now sure, he's a decent guy, not to mention a monk, and he'd probably be willing to sacrifice himself for many people, not just her. But when it comes to Sango, he takes it to a whole new level--he seems willing to put himself at risk at any time even to prevent her from just getting injured. (He takes blows meant for her, he's gotten poisoned twice after using the kazaana specifically to help her, and so on.) Basically, he's always been much more concerned with her welfare than you would expect if they really were just "comrades" with the same goal.

So there's some evidence that he's loyal, and that he does care. Now, enter episodes 131 and 132. Miroku flirts with other women yet again, and yet again he hurts Sango by doing so. Only this time, it ends up going much further than intended, and Sango ends up being put in great danger specifically because he was out womanizing again. This is what we generally refer to as a "wake-up call." Basically, Miroku finally realizes at this point what I mentioned a little above--that his plan has backfired completely, to the point where not only is it just stupid now, but it puts Sango at risk in the end anyway. Hence, he finally decides to come clean about his feelings, ask her the question, and more or less, finally stop pushing her away. (As for his hesitation when she asked if he'd finally stop cheating on her, I think Kuro has a very good point, and after thinking about it myself, I agree with her.)

All right... so basically, the point of all this is that, because of these reasons, I've decided to put my faith in the two's relationship, and believe that Miroku really isn't going to cheat on her anymore. I could be wrong (in which case Rumiko Takahashi is going to be hearing from me ), but that's how I see it. And I think this is how Sango sees it as well. She seems to be giving him the benefit of the doubt, realizing that if it turns out he's still a lecher with a wandering eye at heart, well... that's why they're only engaged right now. But hopefully, whatever she saw in him that made her fall in love with him will turn out to be real, and he'll be true to her from now on. It's a leap of faith for Sango (and us shippers), but this stuff isn't always supposed to be easy.

Could be I'm just a romantic at heart. But I do foresee a happy ending for them.

I think their relationship just follows the theme of acceptance seen throughout the show: He's flawed, but she accepts him the way he is. And if he changed who he was for her, he'd only be selling himself short. By not flirting with any women since, it might simply show that her acceptance has helped him to be more true to himself. It's the same between Inuyasha and Kagome. And the fact that accepting them doesn't lower their self-esteem (much) is proof of their own strengh more than anything.

And I also agree with Spectrum.

That wasn't a rant! That was an objective, rational perspective!



Ah, hell. Maybe we're both reading into it too much. But it is fun to expound on trivialities, isn't it? This is my soap opera, man. I want them to end up together just like anyone else, and have even expounded on a scenario where I'd be comfy with that happening. See?

http://home.earthlink.net/~buckyholmes/fanfic/ms1.html

So I'm not a Miroku/Sango hater. Not at all. But I do think that it was totally inappropriate to end Miroku's confession with the insinuation that he'd cheat on her. Good hell. When I read the manga, my heart leapt, and then sank right back down. Miroku's comedic flirting is no longer comedic, after he commits himself to Sango like that. See?

Remember, in the manga the night before he confessed his love for Sango - he was on TOP of that girl, ready to have sex with her! It was only when he leaned down to kiss her that he realized she was possessed. And THAT'S what stopped him. Not thoughts of Sango. Then he sighs, makes a comment like, "Why does this always seem to happen?" So it's really hard for me to believe that he loves Sango enough to be monogamous at this point - when the night before - he was all ready and excited and IN POSITION to have sex with some random girl.

pssht! Chilalrous my ass! He's still got a long ways to go, and some proving to do! Changing a behavior pattern that strong will take a lot more that preferring one woman over the rest.

But I do suscribe to the impression that he's never gotten his drink and his snack on. That for all his efforts, no one has even given him the time of day. But I HAVE gotten the impression that his womanizing is genuine. I think he likes girls just as much as his character suggests - but my theory is it's because he was conditioned to manhood by womanizers. Raised by perverts. So how would he know to behave any different?

I don't think a girl like Sango would suddenly acquire low self-esteem and lack of confidence due to Miroku's messing around. On the contrary, Sango is able to put up with Miroku's behaviour for all this time because she is already a strong confident girl, and she is sure (well, pretty sure) that Miroku views her as someone truly special. A weak girl would have given up long ago at the first hint of Miroku's flirting, thinking that she doesn't have a chance to start something special with him.

Oh yeah, and comments on the ep! Sango blushing and crying??? Tooooo cute! Kagome should bring pom poms next time Sango and Houshi have an intimate discussion, she seems to be their official cheerleader. And I like how Shippou stamped out the mind-control egg that was inside Sango, he was standing all big and tall (for him), as if he was like, "Yeah, I'm a badass youkai killer. Don't mess with me!"

I finally saw it!

Yes, my man proposed! And Sango very wisely tried to extract a promise from him, but thankfully, the roving hand has not been stilled... ;-)

From what I read, this is how it happens in the manga, right?

But on a side note, this relationship seems to be part of the virtual Shikon no Tama the Inuyasha team makes. I get the feeling that once the teams gets most of their relationship & personal issues out of the way, they can finally defeat Naraku.

For the fist time I don't find a Episode to Download, where did you found the downloadsource?

I must see it, just must see this episode--------------

PM me, and I will tell you where to get it...it's very bad taste to tout another fansubbing group on this board....but I suppose I can live with being criminal through a PM...unless the mods hunt me down and beat me to death with a hockey stick...;

That was a really good episode, I wanted to die when it was a cliff hanger! They finally got it all out and into the open, its great...now only if Inu and Kagome could do the same >.< its going to take them forever!

GAH! Don't remind me! *waves hands wildly about*

SURELY they will...eventually....soon.....very soon....onegai?? *pleads to the gods of Inuyasha with big puppy dog eyes*

yea but kagome and inuyasha are a little less mature than sango and miroku.

well not much but i think they dont need to define their relationship yet.
they are still learning. i think it is too soon. but i have been waiting for sango and miroku to get together for awhile.

i just love how they act around one another.

Which would make sense if Inuyasha and Kagome are both somewhat younger. Kagome's 15, which is around where Inu is mentally as well. Isn't Sango around 18 while Miroku's 20-21? I'm not sure, but that's the impression I get. That would account for it.

I also agree about it being a good thing Inu/Kag don't go too fast. As long as they're both comfortable where they are, that's where they should be. Even if Kikyou wasn't an issue, I still don't think they'd want to rush into anything.

Sango's 16 (definitely); Miroku is 19 (probably). Those seem to be the official ages, at any rate, although I can never remember where exactly they were "officially" stated.

It seems about right, though. Sango's more mature than Kagome, but only a little bit, and that probably has more to do with how (not to mention when) she's grown up and what Naraku has put her through than anything else. And Miroku's always struck me as the type to act older than he actually is. It's hard to swindle villagers by playing the part of an all-knowing monk if they know that in reality, you're not quite even out of your teens yet.

And yeah, I agree that Inuyasha and Kagome shouldn't necessarily rush things. Besides, the tension between them is one of the chief things that keeps the series going strong (although I'll admit that at times, it can also do the opposite), so we don't want that to disappear too soon. Chances are that if and when they finally do sort everything out, it'll also mean the end of the series, and I'd like to put that off as long as possible.

[EDIT: Apparently, according to the official character book (or something), Sango is indeed 16, but Miroku is actually 18. (He keeps getting younger and younger. ) Of course, this post is months old now, but I might as well edit since I'm here...]

Sango is officially 16? Well, that sucks. I always thought she was older, like, in her early twenties...looks like I'll have to make a sneaky little change in my fanfiction then and hope nobody notices! *grumble* I hate going back to change things!!!!

Physically Inuyasha is supposed to be like that of a 17 year old boy...but how old he really is...who knows for sure.

XD I love it...hes over 50 but has the mentality of a 15 yr old...its true, im not saying it isnt, its just funny.

Maybe Inu and Kagome will see how Miroku and Sango are together and follow in line...but that has potential to be really scary. It seems like Shippou will get together with someone before Kagome and Inuyasha decide to make it official; you know...with all the little girls Shippou runs into everywhere they go...

That's scary...yet somehow rings sad but true. XD

I mean, Shippou IS a studmuffin, after all...

well it will only happen if he quits taking advice from other kitsune. It was really unlike him to scare that girl, so easy to say if he keeps to his true self he'll be all good and Inu will just be more confused than ever.

You give Inuyasha too much credit, lol. Mentally, he's like age 9 or 10 to me, hahaha.

And also, another reason why Kagome and Inuyasha should take it slow: they're from fricking different timelines!!! If they ever got REALLY serious, what would they do? Kagome live in Inuyasha's time for the rest of her life? INuyasha live in Kagome's time for the rest of his life? You can't just have them shuttling back and forth!

And not to mention, how much longer will Inuyasha live than Kagome? When she becomes a decrepit old hag, will he still be as young as ever (mentally, he'd be age 13 or 14 by then, I'd hope )...

Somehow, I don't see that as being much of a factor in this case. Realistically speaking, yes, but the time and aging thing has never been mentioned as any kind of concern between them so far. At this point, I can see Takahashi leaving that open-ended for the fans to wonder about.

If anything, all the signs I've seen point to Inuyasha choosing to live in her time. He adapted to the city environment like it was second nature in the first few episodes, he clearly likes the food they offer, he loves her family, he's instantly accepted by everyone he meets there and has never once encountered the prejudice or fear that's plagued him in his own time, and.. well, it would just be cool. Like episode 82 all the time...

Besides, why would the well allow only him to travel to her time in the first place? She has a reason to be in his because of her mission there. But why allow him into her time at all? Just to keep dragging her back?

Awwe.. but moooonie!!

Once THAT happens, what else is there to look forward to between them? XD Honestly, I do want it to happen myself, but not until the end.

well we could always look forward to Inu-pups I mean...not that its going to be anywhere near the series though

*looks at Kuro with big puppy dog eyes*

I think it will happen at the end of the series too, which sucks, cuz I likes the romance....

..bbbbut...but....is it to much to ask for one little kiss? The one in the second movie doesn't really count, it never gets referred to again. *pout*

ARRGHH! Not the big Moonie eyes! Anything but the eyes!

...I can never resist the eyes. *whines*

Alright, alright! I know! I totally DO want them to kiss. One little kiss. I want Inuyasha to tell her tha he loves her. Butbutbutbutbut... I still stand by the fact I dun want it to happen until the end.

But if it never does happen, this little Kuro will be very sad indeed!



Heeheehee. {{{romantic moments between Inuyasha and Kagome}}}

*looks at kuro with the hugest most warbly-blue eyes imagineable*

That is why I am so evil in my fanfics! That's the only way such things ever happen with them! *pouts at lack of kissy-face between Kagome and Inuyasha...and even Sango and Miroku, although they're a lot closer to that*

Hehe... apparently sometimes that's the ONLY way kissy face (or even cuddles) seem to happen in Inuaysha, too! XD

Either fanfic, fillers, or fanart! XD

...maybe Takahashi is trying to tell us something?

I know she's said she doesn't like writing romance as much, but but but... STILL!! All we ask is that they don't end up unresolved like Ranma and Akane! Right? Right? Right? *is all hyper now*

I never watched past the second season of Ranma because I heard about that unresolved-ness, and didn't want to do that to myself. >_> <_<

I think I will be forced to fly to Japan and beat Mizz Takahashi with a wet smelly tube sock if she doesn't feed my addiction for the smoochy-smoochy eventually...and I suspect I would have a lot of allies in said sock-assault. ~_~*

Well... the anime stopped following the manga at book 19 >_>...
out of 38 volumes all in all... there were GOOD moment,
romantic ones in the manga, that never came to the anime >_<
Like the final story... I mean... I don't wanna give spoilers,
so just look at the white text XD ah, I'm horribly fanatic:

Ranma and Akane confesses their love for each other,
and even though they never kissed, it was sooo good! XD

Now I'm gonna go continue my Ranma½ manga marathon XD

I finally got a few days ago. I think i watched it 7 or 8 times. Very cute, but I think there are some elements of the manga that I miss that wasn't in the anime.

I do however love the battle between Miroku and Sango. That's was awesome. I was wondering, do you think Miroku could defeat Sango in battle? I thought with her training as a taiya and her many weapons would give her an advantage over him. Or do you think she was subconsciously holding back? Wakana was able to resist a little bit. Of course, Sango could have been subconsciously pissed at Miroku for flirting with that girl.

As for the kissing, I think, since Inuyasha has already liplocked with Kikyou in the anime, there's a good chance he will share one with Kagome. Probably the last episode. It's only fair, right?

My concern is whether we'll see a kiss between Miroku and Sango. I want to see that more than anything. Unfortunately, Sango seems so frightened by the idea (going by the movie) and closest they ever got was episode 27, when Miroku was attempting to perform CPR.

Will Takahashi deliver?

Another thing, do you think Sango will ever call Miroku by his real name by the end of the series?

Sango will definitely call him by his real name at least once by the end of the series. They've got too much of a great build-up going on there for her not to. I suspect it'll happen in one of two ways: either there'll be a big emotional moment near the end where for some reason she thinks he's dead, and calls him by his name in a moment of panic (kind of like her "I won't leave you!" speech in 118), or it'll happen after they've finally defeated Naraku and the kazaana has disappeared, and everyone is all happy. Either way, when the moment comes I'll probably die and go to heaven.

Good question as to whether or not Miroku could beat Sango if they ever really fought... I've wondered that too now and then ever since I saw this episode. I think they were both hindered during this fight--obviously, Miroku was holding back a great deal, since he didn't want to hurt her (other than punching her in the stomach); and since Sango was under the ayakashi's control, I don't think she was fighting at her fullest potential either,. She was a lot less restrained than Miroku was, though, so since he beat her here, I think he could stand a decent chance against her if they ever really went head-to-head. It'd be a hell of a tough call, though. (Obviously this isn't taking the kazaana into account.)

I'd love to see a kiss between those two before the series ends, but even if it doesn't happen I won't mind too much. They're already engaged, after all, so it goes without saying that there'll be kissing and a lot more, eventually. With Inuyasha and Kagome, it's less of a sure thing (well, not really, but still...), so an on-screen kiss between them would count for a lot more.

Forget the kissing, where's the groping and harrassment??? Miroku hasn't done anything of the sort in ages!! Argh, he's whipped ALREADY?? I'm losing faith in him... at least grope Sango, man. She's said that she'd be your woman!

Well, maybe Sango will let him grope her privately. That's what I hope anyway.

A funny thought. In Chinese culture, you rub Buddhist's tummy for luck. I wonder if there's something similar going with his groping.

I seriously doubt it, lol. Although, I suppose Sango would be less offended if Miroke rubbed her belly instead of her tush.

After thinking it some more, I don't think Sango will ever call Miroku by his real name. He will always be Houshi-sama to her. It's sort of like the comicbook, X-Men. There's a character called Rogue and so far they've never released her real name (except in the movie). Her boyfriend(are they still together??), Gambit will always call her by her codename and I think he's fine with that.

But does it really matter? A Houshi-sama is a Houshi-sama, is a Houshi-sama. By any other name, he's still just as perverted.

I still wanna see a mooch between them.

Will Miroku ever grope Sango again? Will he drop dead from groping deficiency? Probably not, but I'm sure they're secretly making out.

little off topic, but just had to say the Gambit/Rogue relationship has always been really weird and it also depends on which series you read (Uncanny, X-men, or other)

*ahem* back on subject though, I think they are fine with Miroku just being Houshi-sama...would be a little odd in some cases though...

LOL. I think it would be funny if we had another scene similar to the one in 132 where they're all watching from the bushes. Only like, this time Miroku and Sango are sneaking a little smooch in the shadows when they think no one is looking. I can already see everyone's reaction.

Inuyasha: Oiiii.....
Kagome: *blushing* Kawaiiii!!
Shippou: *just blushes and turns away*

*SOBS* It was so finely done.....Although I have only seen up to 134 I spect that Miroku will be shutting his trap around other women. It was so well I think I will cry some more*sob*

If only that were the case...

135 is where the lechery makes its return... the anime-only stuff that I mentioned in the other thread. ::kills the writers again:: (At least 135 is a great episode otherwise, though.)

You know, I wouldn't even mind if it was just groping. But they seem to be placing specific emphasis on the flirting only. Why the flirting? Why? ::sobs::

::watches 132 again to console self:: XD

If only I could contact the animators and tell them whats up!!!!! I do kinda wish that Miroku would shut his DAMN MOUTH and stick with the hottest girl on God's green and blue Earth .

*looks for ways to tell shoot or even torture animators till they get it right!!!!!*