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SuperRob1
Aight I got the info I needed took start this off, I asked this in IRC for those that remember but I think its better to use a forum for this as we can take a look at our responses. God I been wanting ask this for so long:

The Eps to check out are 74 - 77 if you want to revisit the memories!

Anyway the Fire-cats, they attacked 2 twice the first time Inuyasha's father defeated them completely. Also not here that they show what I think is Inuyasha's father (who looks like Sesshoumaru in demon form). Then the second time was Sesshoumaru that stood against them. Sesshoumaru defeated the Fire-cats as far as I can tell from the story.

Now when Jaken telling Inuyasha what happened (EP_76), is where I have an issue. Sesshoumaru apparently sends Jaken to find Inuyasha to help in the battle. However Inuyasha is sealed. Now Jaken states that Sesshoumaru wanted the use of the Tessaiga his father had left. Now this is where I kinda flip out. In the first 6 eps of Inuyasha, Inuyasha has no sword and knows nothing of a sword until Sesshoumaru finds him and opens the tomb from Inuyasha's eye.

Also it seems that Sesshoumaru knows of both swords as he is looking back in the past, he is upset that he cannot use the Tessaiga. So it makes sense why is in the beginning Sesshoumaru is looking for the Tessaiga in the early eps.

So how in the world could Inuyasha have helped Sesshoumaru if even if he was found him and he was not sealed. Inuyasha did not have the Tessaiga? Even the scenes we see with Kikyo and Inuyasha, he has no sword. (ma only answer to this would be that Inuyasha and Sesshoumaru would open the tomb and get the sword if Inuyasha were not sealed but again there wouldn't any time as Sesshoumaru was already on the battlefield)

Ma point is that this is a quirk that the editors make a mistake when they put this in, that's ma point. Nothing wrong, every GREAT series has a little slip up like this and only ADDICT would probably notice.

So I want to know what other Inuyasha addicts have to say about this, or may have a different look on things.

Side notes:

We also see Jaken cry in Ep_74, also we see Jaken catching a fish! Ep_74

Also this first time I see Sesshoumaru get hit! But he quickly recovers Ep 77

I think Kouran likes Sesshoumaru-dono!

Also again we see Sesshoumaru wanting to know why he was giving the Tensaiga!

We also see how Sesshoumaru-dono is upset at Inuyasha for being sealed and falling for a human woman! I wonder if Sesshoumaru is well like Jakotsu (now that would be a twist eh!)
Ozymen
well im not sure if i understood your problem but:

Sesshoumaru DIDNT, i repeat DIDNT know Tetsussaiga's location...
all these years he was looking for it trying to locate his father's grave which again he DIDNT know was in IY's eye... (which neither IY knew... all there was, was just a riddle their father left... "a place where even its own keeper cannot look upon")
Remember that episode in the begining that the staff of heads changes direction? jaken says: "IY might know where your father's grave is" and not: "ohhh Sesshoumaru-sama, we found the brat... the grave is in his eye, lets get him" they actually went to question him...
and having the youkai pretending to be his mother, they questioned his soul and found out... that is when Sesshoumaru figured out... (he also says something like: "i finaly figured it")

THERE IS NO BUG THERE man... it all goes perfect...
Spectrum
Yeah, I pretty much agree with that. From what I put together, Sesshoumaru just figured Inuyasha was his best shot of locating the Tetsusaiga. I mean, think about it--the first thing he did fifty years later upon learning that Inuyasha had been unsealed was to go and make him give up the sword's location, since he hadn't been able to before.

Also, it should be noted that these three episodes are wholly original; nothing from this storyline is in the manga. So in a pinch, if it doesn't make sense, you can dismiss it as not being completely canon. Thankfully, it seems to work out all right. smile.gif
Sandrock
QUOTE(Spectrum @ Jun 10 2003, 07:30 PM)
So in a pinch, if it doesn't make sense, you can dismiss it as not being completely canon.  Thankfully, it seems to work out all right. smile.gif

Actually, to me it's a little more difficult than that - it doesn't seem quite right to blow the anime aside and call the filler episodes unofficial work and not part of the canon, by virtue of the fact that it is official and authorised, in that it's earning revenue for Rumiko Takahashi. That the anime's story diverges somewhat from the manga's is an issue, but one that can be solved if you take it to be two slightly different interpretations of the same story - essentially creating an anime canon and a manga canon, both official, both equally valid and existing side by side.

Unauthorised, unofficial works (doujinshis, fanfiction) can then choose which canon to use. This is an issue that's actually been hotly debated on some of the IY mailing lists I'm on, particularly because of cases where fanfic writers find themselves flamed for following the manga over the anime or vice versa (e.g. describing Kagome's eyes as blue, as they are in the manga canon)

But it is true that the anime really does slip up from time to time. How else do you explain why Inuyasha, who supposedly has skin strong enough to withstand youkai hair that can sever human heads, can be scratched and injured by Buyo in episode 74 and gets flustered when a daimyou points a spear at him? Makes ya wonder.
SuperRob1
Ozymen

Ma point is that in the eps they referred to Sesshoumaru wanting the help of the Tessaiga. How could Inuyasha help Sesshoumaru in that battle if he did not have the Tessaiga. Neither of them knew the location of the sword. Yet Jaken says he was sent to ask for Inuyasha help because he had the Tessaiga. That's what I asking if anyone picked up on that, I have NO PROBLEM with it at ALL.

And clearly Inuyasha did not have the sword for the first 6 eps.

However being how I pay attention to detail it raised my eyebrow abit and wondered if I was the only one that noticed that difference. Again I have NO PROBLEM, just something I noticed and wanted to see each other people noticed the same.
Ozymen
QUOTE(SuperRob1 @ Jun 11 2003, 12:36 PM)
Yet Jaken says he was sent to ask for Inuyasha help because he had the Tessaiga.

That specific quote... what episode is that on? i will check it now
but i highly doubt it, even though i leave some suspicion that you might be right... ill edit this post when i got an answer for you (after you tell me the ep no that is)
Bankotsu-sama
Ozymen is 100pct correct, Jaken never says he came to get IY cause he knew he had Tessaiga. He says he went to find IY since he is also a son of their father. Then he says in a way to make it look as if Sesshoumaru wasnt asking for IY's assistance that he didnt want IY but he was hoping to use the Tessaiga to win the battle easily. He NEVER says that IY had the Tessaiga.
Spectrum
Sandrock, for the most part I agree with you about both the manga and the anime both being equally valid and official. The only time I'll blow off the anime canon is when there's something that doesn't make sense (for me this is mainly the whole deal with the shikon shards in episode 33... but I've rambled on that enough in another thread), or something that messes with the characters in a way I really don't like. For example, until recently in the anime, Kikyou has come across as far more evil than in the manga. So when it comes to her character and behavior, I tend to follow the manga version first and foremost.

On the flip side of the coin, the anime has taken the time to expand on the characters in a way the manga hasn't, which is definitely a good thing. I've especially enjoyed the scenes with Inuyasha in Kagome's time, which we hardly ever see in the manga. And of course, Shippou definitely gets more screen time in the anime. (In the manga, pretty much all he does is insult Inuyasha and ride on Miroku's shoulder. sleep.gif) So both versions have got their ups and downs, I guess.

Oh--incidentally, I love your AMVs, especially "A Love Before Time"! Your Inuyasha vids are probably the sweetest Kagome/Inuyasha ones I've seen. smile.gif
Vision
alright I review the eps in question and have figured it out. Jaken and Sesshoumaru knows the sword was promised to Inuyasha, so Jaken looks for Inuyasha to borrow or take and for some help in fighting the fire cats. Fastforward a few years and Sesshoumaru finds Inuyasha is awake and tries to find out where the sword is because it is supposed to be in his dad's grave (im guessing he just figured out that part resently) which he figure Inuyasha should know about since the sword is promised to him. Alright no flaws there.
SuperRob1
Okay, Okay so we know that Jaken mentions the Tessaiga right?

At the point in time, if just suppose Inuyasha was not sealed, would he have the Tessaiga? That's where ma point is, even if Inuyasha were not sealed he would still not have the Tessaiga. Inuyasha has no idea he has a sword from his father.

That's where I wanted people's opinions. How can Sesshoumaru send Jaken to ask for Inuyasha's help using the Tessaiga if Inuyasha does not have the sword and two does not even no about the sword. (Plus look how long it took him to learn to use the sword anyway!)

Bankotsu-sama: I understand what you said however at that point in time the Tessaiga was not found by either Sesshoumaru or Inuyasha so how can either Sesshoumaru or Jaken even ask for something that was not available to use?

I trying to get ma point across. Basically to me in these eps 75 - 77 they are referring to the Tessaiga being available. When in the beginning of the series for the first 6 eps we know that Inuyasha does not have a sword and we see first hand as he learns about the Tessaiga and battle Sesshoumaru over it, we see that in the eps. So jump to eps 75 - 77 and Jaken makes that statement it makes no sense cause it didn't happen that way. Cause their no where that I saw Inuyasha with the Tessaiga before ep 7. It makes me think that Inuyasha had the sword before we saw him get in the early eps. Its as if the statement is referring the something that is not there, but we can track when Inuyasha first touched Tessaiga! So that's way I say its just a quirk a reference to something that should not be, to me anyway.

Just in case anyone wants to know the statement is made in EP 76 at 19:31

I like Vision's Point smile.gif
Spectrum
QUOTE(SuperRob1 @ Jun 12 2003, 10:11 PM)
Okay, Okay so we know that Jaken mentions the Tessaiga right? 

At the point in time, if just suppose Inuyasha was not sealed, would he have the Tessaiga?  That's where ma point is, even if Inuyasha were not sealed he would still not have the Tessaiga.  Inuyasha has no idea he has a sword from his father. 

That's where I wanted people's opinions.  How can Sesshoumaru send Jaken to ask for Inuyasha's help using the Tessaiga if Inuyasha does not have the sword and two does not even know about the sword.


Well, the key thing to remember here is that even though we know Inuyasha doesn't have the Tetsusaiga at that time and doesn't even know where it is, it doesn't mean Jaken and Sesshoumaru know that. For all Sess knows, Inuyasha knows exactly where their father's grave and the Tetsusaiga are. More importantly, if Inuyasha doesn't know, it's unlikely anyone else will, since he's the one it was promised to. So he's their best shot at finding it. Basically, it's like Vision said. I don't really see how it's a problem. huh.gif
SuperRob1
Again I don't have a problem or that their is a problem with the story line! I again simply noticed this as I was watching and wanted to figure it, so I been asking away.

However no one seems to answer the fact.

I put it another way. How can I ask you or send someone to ask you for your help with an item that you do not know about? You have no idea about the item cause you don't have it yet. How does that work?

Again if looks different to others let me know

That is exactly what happened here in my opinion, maybe it was done intentionally to see if we are paying attention! I mean its quite a long time between ep 1 - 7 to eps 75 - 77!

Also I don't have a problem I keep saying that, I like to pick things apart, its FUN. So far there hasn't been much to pick apart in the series like this to me!
CrazyInuyasha
I'll mark it off as a translator's error. When dealing with Sesshoumaru-sama, nothing in the series can be wrong.

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Bankotsu-sama
Apparantly he doesnt read any of the replies so stop leaving them guys its in plain english like 5 times and he still doesnt get it.
Patrioil
Seems like no one's posted here for a while.
So now it's my turn... cus I've been thinking about something.

In the first episode,
when Kagome is chased by the Mononoke,
and Inuyasha wakes up saying:
"It's the smell of that girl who killed me 50 years ago"
(I think he says that... i don't remember exacly).
But anyway...
how does IY know that it's been 50 years?
I mean he was asleep/dead during that time...
and then when he sees Kagome and calls her Kikyou,
would he not wonter why she hasn't aged during this time...?
Maybe I'm totally wrong here, though.
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