Ozymen
Jun 2 2003, 03:47 PM
InuYasha is still hung up on Kikyou...
why?
is it really so hard to realize the truth? (-what truth? -that you are a slave Neo.. (oups... wrong, sorry))
what truth? that Kikyou is dead... she doesnt belong to the living...
Though... she use to be his love... and I can see they got "cursed", an unfair incident that cost them a lot...
he should do some serius thinking... (with what brain?)
how do you people excpect InuYasha to realize (and if he does) all that?
ANALYSE THIS
Patrioil
Jun 2 2003, 03:53 PM
Good that we're bringing this up...
(people thinking "what does she mean by 'we'")
Anyway, everyone must have some issue with this.
Either they hate IY for still being hung up on her,
or they feel really sorry for him (for me it's both).
I'll come back about this...
one night I had some really good thought about this...
let me think, let me think...
Inuyasha's been alone most of his life,
then he finds Kikyou... who he then got ripped away from...
Now he have Kagome, who won't go away,
but he still doesn't seem to realize that!
What is the point for him still being hung up on that bitch Kikyou?
Bankotsu-sama
Jun 2 2003, 03:56 PM
oh no please dont bring up the matrix after how stupid reloaded was. any way you look at it kikyou is a lame ass clay doll he will eventually end up with kagome as he should so dont worry people
Patrioil
Jun 2 2003, 03:59 PM
Hey, nice new avatar Bankotsu...
the other one used to scare me.
Of course they'll end up together,
but I still don't think IY'll give up on Kikyou...
Patrioil
Jun 2 2003, 04:00 PM
You never forget your first love,
and IY seems to have a hard time bout it...
Bankotsu-sama
Jun 2 2003, 04:01 PM
thanks Pat yeah finding Bankotsu avatars isnt very easy since he hasnt been around all that long yet ive been looking for ones that are cool.
Jubilation
Jun 2 2003, 04:01 PM
Why would he want Kikyou when she wanted to change him to be human as opposed to Kagome who has always accepted him for who/what he was.
Bankotsu-sama
Jun 2 2003, 04:03 PM
Jubilation thats such a fantastic point i still think he should use the tama to make himself into a full taiyoukai so he can look as cool as his brother i truly hope that he will end up doing that to beat naraku. if he became a human that would be so lame
Patrioil
Jun 2 2003, 04:03 PM
Yer right, Jubilation.
IY doesn't make any sense.
I thought about this one time too.
Kagome wants him as he is.
Patrioil
Jun 2 2003, 04:04 PM
Okay.... Bankotsu,
don't call me Pat, it really pisses me off.
You don't want kono Patrioil mad at you!
(I'm starting another fight again...)
Ozymen
Jun 2 2003, 04:05 PM
QUOTE
Why would he want Kikyou when she wanted to change him to be human as opposed to Kagome who has always accepted him for who/what he was.
I dont really think why IY would actually consider that a big issue...
I mean if they love each other, thats it... no terms or conditions...
they would live a happy life... and i think IY would still want that...
Jubilation
Jun 2 2003, 04:06 PM
May seem stupid but that thought always plagues me whenever i watch and episode.
I have to agree that Sess is pretty hot, also when inuyasha turns full demon his ears are still doggy-style, why is that?
Midnightsg
Jun 2 2003, 04:11 PM
Ugghh as much as I hate seeing him with her you can not get mad at Inuyasha for still loving her. They were/are in love you freaking Bakas! Don’t you think that is cute…. Okay cut Kagome out of the seen say she was never in the show. There, isn’t that cute! The only reason you hate them together is because the show is based around Kagome and shows it through her point of view. If it was based from Kikyo’s you would hate Kagome and tell her to get over it they were in love 1st, which they were. Kikyo was the one who softened InuYasha when he was a crazy freak on nature and he protected her.
Why do you think he is after Naraku? To get revenge for killing his love.
It is hard to just stop loving some one you guys and thankfully the creators and writers of Inuyasha know it. It would be dumb and to lovely dovey and boring if he just forgot about her and got all drolly over Kagome, not only that he would be a HUGE jerk.
Why do you think so many people love this show? It is because we see things like 107 and then a few episodes later the 109 seen. The creators are brilliant, making us pull out our hair when he is holding her when Kagome is right next to him and snuggling our pillow when he is holding a dead Kagome and crying.
Oh and one more thing, try seeing things through Kikyo’s point of view… not vary fair is it….?
… But Yeah if I had a chance Id waste Kikyo as well…
:twisted:
Ozymen
Jun 2 2003, 04:12 PM
QUOTE
Okay.... Bankotsu,
don't call me Pat, it really pisses me off.
You don't want kono Patrioil mad at you!
(I'm starting another fight again...)
Ill keep my mouth shut for this one :roll:
Bankotsu-sama
Jun 2 2003, 04:15 PM
lol called you pat cause i didnt want to type the whole name and i forgot the spelling when i tried to post didnt want to butcher the name that is all
Ozymen
Jun 2 2003, 04:17 PM
I will agree with Midnightsg on this as well...
IY is bound to love this person no matter what... ( i think i read this excact frame b4)
BUT: dont forget Kikyou is dead... that is what we are discusing in here...
how is IY goin to respond to this situation
(it is actually a tough one)
Poor IY...
SuperRob1
Jun 2 2003, 04:52 PM
Hmmm, why can't he decide which girl to roll with? It seems so simple right, knowing that Kikuyu is dead and all, however she is still there walking around and talks to IY when they meet.
First love never truly goes away. IY used to being alone and all was and got really close to Kikuyu. They however were used as pawns in a nasty game by Naruko who the person the formed Naruko I might add WANTED Kikuyu. Now that really twists the tell if IY finds out the person that created Naruko wanted Kikuyu!
IY will always want to protect Kikuyu cause he was not able to way back then, and he does it constantly thru the series. Even knowing the PUNISHMENT that will be bestowed on him afterwords. He likes Kagome however he can't admit that to her. Telling her what she wants to her would mean letting Kikuyu go, his past, his love. So I keep watching to find out what happens!
But I personally think IY should be with Kagome.
Midnightsg
Jun 2 2003, 04:54 PM
QUOTE
how is IY goin to respond to this situation
I have no clue.... we will just have to see......
Jubilation
Jun 2 2003, 05:03 PM
I agree he just seems to feel the need to protect her because he wasn't able to protect her from Naraku.
But Kagome has devotion. I think he will wait untill naraku is defeated to come to terms with his feelings even thought they seem to be pointing to Kagome.....few(wipes sweat off brows)
accela
Jun 2 2003, 05:32 PM
I think he's already dealing with the situation, myself. I think he's slowly realizing that Kikyou and he can never be together again - a fact that I think Kikyou realized a while ago. It's obvious he has feelings for Kagome, and he has at least some clue that she feels something for him. I don't think we're gonna see an episode where all of a sudden Yasha has to make this difficult choice between which girl he's going to wind up with. It'll be a gradual thing - and it'll come with Kagome and Yasha getting closer and closer.
The flipside is what will happen to Kikyou at the end of the series? My prediction is that with the defeat of Naraku (by whoever it is that does it), she won't be able to justify her continued existence anymore (since she's relying on borrowed souls) and will simply pass back into death.
Ozymen
Jun 2 2003, 06:11 PM
Yes accela... that is actually something i have noticed as well recentlly...
since Kikyou didnt meet the group for a long time (do i recall right?) it gave us a chance to see a change...
I expected InuYasha to act a little different to see Kikyou (even though she almost "died") the other day... and that made me think that he is really changing slowlly his mind...
And the ending of that episode was also wicked (im reffering to "I knew it, you were mad at me") that was the best "sit" command ever...
it slightly showed that IY also understands Kagome's feeings (slightly)
with the whole "Why is Kagome riding kirara today" thing...
and he certainlly got it from Kagome as well
JoOjOoBeAnS
Jun 2 2003, 06:25 PM
Too bad in 111 kagome had to feel all bad and stuff that inuyasha took kikyo out of the barrier and the souls went back into kikyo and then kagome left that she was being left out of inuyasha life (or something like that) oh well for inuyasha lets pray he doesnt do anything to really make kagome mad. I mean inuyasha cant run away from the warth of kagome now can he?
Jubilation
Jun 2 2003, 07:00 PM
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And the ending of that episode was also wicked (im reffering to \"I knew it, you were mad at me\") that was the best \"sit\" command ever...
it slightly showed that IY also understands Kagome's feeings (slightly)
with the whole \"Why is Kagome riding kirara today\" thing...
and he certainlly got it from Kagome as well

I loved that they touched on that subject that he knew she was mad and wanted to see her reaction and his face when she mentioned that she once told him that she wanted to be with him....priceless. I just had to rewatch the ending
harriet
Jun 2 2003, 10:09 PM
From an old person's point of view- hey guys, first loves not only go away, they get really gross and contact you to be really vulgar twenty years later. Better to let them go...especailly when they've already died and all.
Ozymen
Jun 3 2003, 12:50 AM
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Too bad in 111 kagome had to feel all bad and stuff that inuyasha took kikyo out of the barrier and the souls went back into kikyo and then kagome left that she was being left out of inuyasha life (or something like that) oh well for inuyasha lets pray he doesnt do anything to really make kagome mad. I mean inuyasha cant run away from the warth of kagome now can he?
true... Kagome was a little spaced out with InuYasha helping Kikyou
but dont forget some major points...
1. It was Kagome that sujested how to help kikyou (getting her outside the barrier and all) .... (now I dont really understand why she would do such a thing(well i do, she is not the kind of person that would let anyone die...) but also maybe cause of InuYasha... she didnt want him to loose Kikyou (for good or for bad, Kagome still thinks that Kikyou has priority over IY (and she mentioned that on the end of that episode: "I cant tell you to forget her"....)))
2. The look of Kikyou at Kagome as she had moved away from the group together with the fact that she called her name to ask her that question about the shikon aura in Senkotsu's neck (now she had no reason to do that, especially with her rival huh?... even inuYasha was surprized) it was almost as if she wanted to give the impresion that she actually starts to "like"(?) Kagome?
3. Kagome didnt mention anything (well untill that idiot IY atempted to make her talk)...
Spectrum
Jun 3 2003, 01:16 AM
It's gotta be incredibly difficult for Inuyasha. I know a lot of people
really hate Kikyou, and really like Kagome, so it doesn't seem like it should be a hard decision at all. But it is. Look at it this way for a sec: What if the same thing that happened to Kikyou happened to Kagome? What if she (Kagome) died and Inuyasha slowly moved on, only to have
her be brought back to life somehow in an incarnation that hated him? Would it really be so easy for him to abandon Kagome just because she had already died? I don't think so, not by a long shot.
It's exactly like that with Kikyou. I think that deep down, Inuyasha has fallen in love with Kagome (whether he realizes it or not). He
knows Kagome is the one that will make him happy, whereas Kikyou will just drag him down to hell. But it's not like this is a matter of personal preference to him. He feels like he owes Kikyou after everything that's happened, and no matter how much of a bitch she may be now, he can't just abandon her and go along to live happily with Kagome. If he was willing to do that, he wouldn't be the Inuyasha we all know and love.
There are probably several different ways to resolve this, but I think pretty much the only way everyone will be happy is if Kikyou makes the decision to relinquish her soul to Kagome and let Inuyasha stay with Kagome. Things just aren't going to be right until Kikyou decides to quit being selfish (though I can't blame her, really--she got a pretty raw deal), because until then Inuyasha will most likely keep following through on his obligation to her, and Kagome will just sit by sadly and let him, barring any more attempted trips to hell.
Just my two cents on the matter.
Patrioil
Jun 3 2003, 01:52 AM
We shall not forget that he did "break up" with Kagome once,
all for the sake of protecting and being with Kikyou.
That really pissed me off. Kikyou is already dead, dun need protection!
And in the Jinenji ep. he does realize that he's not alone anymore,
cus somehow Kagome's allways there with him.
Can't he just go back remembering that?
And Kagome was right in episode 111.
Kagome: "Inuyasha, you really wanted to..."
What she means is that IY wanted to embrace Kikyou.
And by the look of IY it may have been just so...
Squidy
Jun 3 2003, 02:11 AM
QUOTE
And Kagome was right in episode 111.
Kagome: \"Inuyasha, you really wanted to...\"
What she means is that IY wanted to embrace Kikyou.
And by the look of IY it may have been just so...
I took that situation very differently, ie Kagome believed that Inuyasha wanted to embrace Kikyou, but he is already well on the way to getting over her. His body language seemed much more neutral toward Kikyou then any of their other meetings.
For her part, I think Kikyou is also backing off on the desire to drag Inuyasha to hell.
Patrioil
Jun 3 2003, 02:17 AM
The way I saw, that dude was totally lost in Kikyou.
He wanted to take her in his arms,
but culdn't since Kagome was there... and everybody else.
I think Kagome meant that IY really wants to be alone with Kikyou...
or maybe I'm just babbling again...
Ozymen
Jun 3 2003, 06:36 AM
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His body language seemed much more neutral toward Kikyou then any of their other meetings.
Indeed... that is the excact way i saw it... but not the way i interpred it here

you could actually notice him looking at Kagome also everyonce and a while with the edge of his eye... (or did i dream about it?)
As for Kikyou... she seems to have totaly given up on him... but he hasnt seen it yet... nobody has...
as i said.. it looks like she is begining to "trust" him (trust is in "" cause i dont think that she took a really good care of him did she?) to Kagome...
Patrioil
Jun 3 2003, 09:13 AM
Ozy, yer right whatever you said (I didn't read it).
But Ozy, I can't open up my messenger,
it only opens up when it wants to (I'm not lying).
There must be something wrong with my msn messenger...
it allways does this to me...
Squidy
Jun 3 2003, 11:17 AM
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The way I saw, that dude was totally lost in Kikyou.
He wanted to take her in his arms,
but culdn't since Kagome was there... and everybody else.
I think Kagome meant that IY really wants to be alone with Kikyou...
or maybe I'm just babbling again...
Thing is,Inuyasha isn't the most socially aware person around (understatement of the century?). From how he's acted before, I think if the presence of the others was keeping him from holding Kikyou, he'd have become fidgity, if on the other hand he was totally lost in her, he'd have held her without thought and only snapped later at his faux pas.
Another thing that makes me feel he's had a change of heart was the "Kikyou and Kagome in a cave" episode. Unless the writers just weren't thinking (rare for this show), Kikyou's scent would have been all over the area and Kagome, for that matter. Inuyasha doesn't seem to notice or it's not as important as finding Kagome to him.
harriet
Jun 3 2003, 11:52 AM
"change of heart? " Doesn't anyone remember how it were Kagome's voice which prevented him from slipping to hell with kikyo back oh so many episodes ago-He feels responsible for Kikyo, but he's in love with Kagome. And he's aware of it- he told Miraku he wanted both..
Ozymen
Jun 3 2003, 12:16 PM
Both is the worst part of it... cause he is dedicated actually to none of them... so he really should make a choice...
It makes him seem a little selfish, naive and stuff like that...
harriet
Jun 3 2003, 12:27 PM
Or...male. Just kidding. Kinda
Ozymen
Jun 3 2003, 12:41 PM
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Or...male. Just kidding. Kinda :D
Thanx for that... really (we are not all like that ( i couldnt tell you if im speaking about my self or not, but there are exceptions))
but about that... Seriuslly, shouldnt he stick to one of them? preferablly Kagome

, but is there anyone who has actually thought of it in such depth and thinks that IY will end up with Kikyou? (i saw a relative post that i think answers yes to that... but anyway) I dont...
Jubilation
Jun 3 2003, 12:48 PM
What do you people think about Kikyou always saying that Inuyasha belongs to her when i believe he belongs to Kagome because she gave him life by releasing him from the tree. Kikyou relinquished that when she sealed him to it in the first place.
Ozymen
Jun 3 2003, 12:52 PM
QUOTE
What do you people think about Kikyou always saying that Inuyasha belongs to her when i believe he belongs to Kagome because she gave him life by releasing him from the tree. Kikyou relinquished that when she sealed him to it in the first place.
an excelent point... let me contribute as well...
Kagome also gave kikyou life (literally) (life from her life)
so she should be in both of them good graces
harriet
Jun 3 2003, 12:54 PM
Oooh- very nice point, very nice indeed, Shame Inuyahsa's a little on the dense side, and probably wouldn't pick that up.
Jubilation
Jun 3 2003, 12:55 PM
I agree Kagome would have taken her whole soul in the first place if she hadn't run away. so that should tell Kikyou that Kagome could take it back whenever she wants but she chooses not to.
Ozymen
Jun 3 2003, 01:00 PM
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I agree Kagome would have taken her whole soul in the first place if she hadn't run away. so that should tell Kikyou that Kagome could take it back whenever she wants but she chooses not to.
well not that Kagome could make that decision conciouslly but... sure..
The thing is that my own post (the one right B4) made me freak out because that "coincidence" of awakening both of them (might imply) that she is going to be the one that brings the couple back together instead of just grabing IY for herself... (EEEEK creepy thought... go away... Kagome get IY at all costs :twisted: )
Watcha think?
Jubilation
Jun 3 2003, 01:10 PM
I do sincerely think he will end up with Kagome. I know she would never purposefully take her soul from Kikyou but i think that her getting it back would come into play(i hope anyway)
As for her bringing the couple together...scary thought but it could be a possibility i see how that could happen. She pushes them toghether than anything.
She seems to shy to try and claim him but it does seem that he is getting the hint that she loves him by his shocked expression when Kagome told him to take Kikyou out of the barrier, and his curiousity at her being angry with him.
Patrioil
Jun 3 2003, 01:13 PM
Kagome seems to give up so easily.
And she feels so sorry for IY's broken heart.
Remember the episode she found out IY was in love with Kikyou?
(She was actually pretty smart for being an anime character...)
I just laughed my ass off when she put on those bambi-eyes,
and started going "It was a... one-sided love!"
And IY looking so annoyed by the look she was giving him!
It still cracks me up (only by thinking of it, not by watching)!
LunaCorn
Jun 9 2003, 12:57 AM
Personally, I think that Kagome incourages InuYasha because she's insecure about herself. She's really unaware of the turmoil in the young Hanyou's heart, but what she thinks she knows and continues to believe is that he is in love with Kikyo.
She figures that there is no way that she can ever compare to Kikyo or live up to her past self and she must figure that the best thing for her is to be near him, even if he wont return the love that she feels for him. All in all, she probably is most concerned for InuYasha's feelings and it would probably devastate her to see him hurt emotionally and knows that might happen if something happened to Kikyo. Knowing this, she'd rather have him be happy with Kikyo and keep her own mouth and heart shut. His happiness is obviously more important to her than her own. Now I think that is true love. She sacrifices her own emotions so that he doesn't have to. She is happy just to be with him, even if "friendship" is all that she expects now. I'm confident that InuYasha will eventually realize that the soul, the true person he's in love with is within Kagome and he will also realize that Kikyo is his past, and Kagome his future.

~!~InuYasha & Kagome Forever~!~
~!~The Luney One~!~
Vision
Jun 9 2003, 01:14 AM
I think we are all pretty much in agreement that Kikiyo should not be with IY (seeing as though the constant attempts at his life and everything somehow has led to the loss of the Magic in their relationship) Maybe Kik and Kagome should have a fight over him... perferrably mud wrestling.
UFO9
Jun 9 2003, 02:32 AM
QUOTE(Squidy @ Jun 3 2003, 08:52 AM)
Another thing that makes me feel he's had a change of heart was the "Kikyou and Kagome in a cave" episode. Unless the writers just weren't thinking (rare for this show), Kikyou's scent would have been all over the area and Kagome, for that matter. Inuyasha doesn't seem to notice or it's not as important as finding Kagome to him.
I've been lurking here for a while and decided to finally offer my input on something, and I agree with this.
That episode is one that really sticks out in my mind for so many reasons. Kagome seems to respect Kikyo a bit more after their ordeal, Kikyo seems to respect her more too. I think they have a bit of a truce now, they were talking and helping each other, and at the end when Kikyo asked why Kagome helped her and risked her own life, instead of just leaving her, Kagome was like "Because there's someone who'd be sad if you died" and as Kagome heads back to Inu Yasha, Kikyo says something like "the same goes for you"
I think Kikyo knows what's going on, and has come to accept it, and maybe even approve of it. She didn't try to go see Inu Yasha, even though both women seemed to know he was near, if memory serves, Kikyo even sort of seemed to encourage Kagome to go to him. I think she's realized that Kagome and Inu Yasha should be together, and that it wasn't his fault that she died, she seems to be staying out of the way now and being helpful instead of psycho.
And Inu Yasha too seems to obviously be changing, after the barrier disappeared, instead of running to both girls (cuz you can tell he knew they were both there, we know he could smell them, and the look on his face gives it away too) he just waits for Kagome to go to him. He could've been like "wait here" or gone to them to talk to Kikyo, or snuck back after he brought Kagome back to the group, but he didn't.
Ha... wow, this is getting really long

0 Sorry. All in all, I think Inu Yasha will end up with Kagome. I think he's already chosen her, even if he hasn't realized it yet. And I think his love for Kikyo has just faded into regret and a feeling of responsibility. He still blames himself for her death, so he wants to avenge her and help her be at peace, but I don't think he wants to BE with her anymore, and definitely not go to hell with her. Short of something drastic like Kagome going back to her time and sealing the well or something.
I'll stop now, or I'll keep going all night, hehe. Sorry again my post is so long and prolly boring

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UFO9
Jun 9 2003, 02:33 AM
erm.. there.. now my accidental double post doesn't take up so much space

*feels a tiny bit less stupid now* what a way to introduce myself to the board
UFO9
Jun 9 2003, 02:39 AM
ack >.< sorry that posted twice!! I think... it gave me an error both times I hit "add reply" and I looked on the message list and it didn't show it, so I thought it didn't go through.. so I was trying to do it again and I noticed that it IS listed, twice, on the "last 10 posts" thingy on the bottom half of this window

I'm stupid
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